. >> i have a sound bite that i wanted to play that was from before president obama said what he did. a few days before that vice president biden to everybody's surprise started talking about how he was all in favor of same sex marriage rights but he hit a pop culture tv stone when he have saying that. >> this is evolving. my measure david and i take a look at when things change is when the social culture changes. i think will and grace probably did more to educate the american public than almost anything anybody's ever done so far. i think people fear that which is different. now they are beginning to understand. >> as a person who is part of the phenomenon that is glee, how do you think it felt to the will and grace people to be mentioned? >> i know all four of them and i'm sure they are thrilled about it. when they first did that show and nbc sat them down and say this could turn into a huge thing and you might be threat threatened. it might get ugly. it never happened. these are flawed characters. they are funny. you laugh at them. you want to go into that apartment whatever night